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Friday 29th of February 2008
With all the goings-on at Fisher Funds the company is finding that when you reach the heights of being the market darling, it can be a long fall back down to earth. While many of the company’s funds are taking a battering at the hands of the sharemarket, the company is causing its own waves with internal changes. Firstly on the market front, the risks of taking large, concentrated bets on small and mid-sized companies is becoming clear. When a call goes wrong, like Barramundi's investment in ASX-listed Credit Corp then the damage is painful. While investors in this fund must be wondering what to do, so must those holding Kingfish warrants. The last exercise date for the warrants issued with the IPO is looming, and what looked like a handy investment is looking far less attractive now the market (and the fund) have fallen. Then we move to the messy departure of former chief investment officer Warren Couillault. I have a couple of observations here. One, and no doubt this will annoy some, is that every time I have seen Couillault and Carmel Fisher together over the years they never appeared to be close. There is no questioning their professional skills, rather this is an observation about how they worked as a team. Something was missing. Secondly, there is a story circulating that last year Couillault wanted to float the funds management company rather than doing the Marlin global share fund. He may have lost that debate (if ever it was held), but by selling his 27% stake to Fisher I guess he has achieved his exit. Finally, I struggle to believe the company line there was no rift between Fisher and Couillault. Messy splits like this can't be called an amicable divorce.
Comments (8)
Peter Jones
I was right. Ed will know what I mean. He he
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Anthony Edmonds
Just a point for Red Dog, a PIE fund that invests in NZ shares (and certain Australian shares) can now trade as much as it likes without paying capital gains tax. There is no longer any capital gains tax for funds that are PIEs. Interestingly , an individual can be required to pay tax on capital gains if investing directly. Furthermore, global equity funds (that are PIEs) don't pay tax on capital gains. Tax is based on the FDR methodology.
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16 years ago

Philip Macalister
I can't agree with Roberto's opening comments. I think the Fisher investment style was well documented and discussed before the listed trusts, and that the fee structure and incentives were well-disclosed to all investors. Sure they made big bonuses (all disclosed) when time were good. In those same times investors did very well too. I have no problem with any of that. As others have mentioned putting Fisher in the same sentence and Bridgecorp is way out of line and unwarranted. As for the parting of the ways - there is plenty of other comment agreeing with the proposition that it wasn't a clean cut as is being portrayed. Sometimes I think corporates should fess up and say what happened and move on. That stops rumour dead in its tracks. The communication of the split hasn't been well handled and people just don't believe the spin.
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16 years ago

Kevin Kevin
"saying so is the equivalent to say publicly you manage a Fund with basically flipping a coin on the direction of the market" Well no. Saying you cannot predict the direction of the market is like not even bothering to flip a coin and just accepting that they will go up eventually. If you had to flip a coin you would be deciding whether to be long or short/neutral. Are you able to short the NZ market ETF?
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16 years ago

Kevin Kevin
I should add that picking the direction of the market is something that SHOULDN'T work, but "momentum" investing has appeared to have be a solid strategy for a too many years to dismiss.
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16 years ago

Kevin Kevin
Red Dog, so when the Fisher Aussie growth fund had added value DOUBLE that of the benchmark, does that mean they were the best manager in the world? Or were they just taken large risks? In this country there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of RISK. People will nod their heads and smile when asked if the understand what risk means (indeed these people will probably read this and think I am not talking about them). Look, if you think you can find some investment that will always make a great huge profit, or a manager that always makes the right calls, or a debt security that pays above the risk free rate without any risk of default, then good luck to you. But I would make more money betting that you can't.
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16 years ago

Kevin Kevin
Peanut H, I would disagree with you about the impact on Fishers of Warren leaving. Fishers is a relatively concentrated portfolio with a lot of active risk. They aren't "asset class" investors, they are active stock pickers. Which means they live or die by the few stocks they pick. In the short run Warren leaving doesnt make much difference (the portfolio may not change much in the weeks and months ahead), but the departure should prompt people to keep a closer eye on their investments. This doesnt mean they should sell out straight away, only that they should keep a closer eye on things. If a new manager comes in and sells the entire portfolio to buy a different collection of stocks, treat the question of keeping your money in the fund as you would investing in a brand new fund. A new manager may be just as good (or even better than) Warren, so you may not want to sell just in case. And a panicy sell off wouldnt make much sense, as you would be selling the same companies you were happy to hold before simply because the person that bought them has left.
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16 years ago

Kevin Kevin
"Kimble, again, about the flipping of a coin, you evidently did not take the pain to read my paper on the website link, otherwise that comment surprises me." My only point was that flipping a coin helps you decide between two different options. A mandate requiring that the manager stay fully-invested, maintain a benchmark focus and invest long only does not need to make any decisions regarding the direction of the market.
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16 years ago

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