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The difference between Hanover and ING

Wednesday 3rd of December 2008
This Blog is my observations on how finance companies and fund managers handle their own problems. It’s a story which, no doubt, will ruffle feathers. But it’s also one which may surprise readers. It’s also a bit of a criticism of peers. Since it is about comparisons I will start with a report I saw, or heard, somewhere which made a comparison between Hanover co-owner Mark Hotchin and Air New Zealand boss Rob Fyfe. The guts of the comparison were that Fyfe was up their fronting up and Hotchin was skiving off having a 50th birthday party with his mates in Fiji. The thought this commentator wanted to leave his audience with was that Hotchin was some rich, spoilt brat who had no interest in Hanover investors and their losses. What a daft and unfair comparison. For one, I don’t envy Fyfe; he has the hardest job in New Zealand at the moment. Also, as a journalist and seeing how Air NZ has communicated with the media, I would say that there is only one word to describe the company’s efforts: Outstanding. Hotchin, to his credit has spent days fronting up to investors in locations all around New Zealand. Added to that he, and fellow shareholder Eric Watson, have $60 million tied up in the company and are pledging another $96 million in cash and assets. These guys have more to lose than anyone else. The key difference between them and investors, compared to commentators, is they have something real to lose. But coming back to comparisons, the real one is between Hotchin and a group made up of other finance companies and fund managers. Hanover is fronting with a plan. Hotchin is touring the country and so far has presented to around 3000 Hanover investors. He and Hanover chief executive Peter Fredricson have told, and sold, their story. Whether you agree with it or not is a different story altogether. I sat in on the end of the session Hamilton yesterday. My observation is that investors are very angry, but they give the plan, the people and the company a fair go and, I suspect, will vote in favour of what is proposed. Not many other finance companies have done what Hanover is doing. More to the point, nor have fund managers. It seems to the biggest manager with trouble is ING. It has a similar amount of money at risk through its diversified yield fund and regular income fund, as Hanover. (Around $500 million). However, ING could learn a lesson from Hanover. Ever since it froze redemptions investors and advisers have pretty much been kept in the dark. No one has fronted. There is no sign of a rescue plan. The shareholders aren’t offering more capital. The valuations of the credit funds are as dodgy as those of some property assets. (Indeed many other managers are astounded at the valuation of the units. Most put the value around the zero mark). This is in stark contrast to what groups like Hanover have done. What’s more Hanover is aiming to repay 100c in the dollar and has some assets which have value. This is not the story you hear about credit funds. I suspect groups like ING are headed for trouble. I hear strong rumours that advisers are feed up. They have written to the company and are rallying support to put pressure on ING to front up. First it will be advisers, then they will target retail investors. It has the potential to be unpleasant. ING’s parent company has had a bail out from the Dutch government, but there is little sign that there is much support coming back to New Zealand. My guess is fund management companies are going to have to front up to these issues sooner than later. Otherwise there will be a further loss of investor confidence in managed funds. However, I will note that not all companies can be put into the same boat. For instance many haven't ventured into this space. Some like NZ Funds Management and St Laurence has similarly stepped up to the plate and addressed their issues positively. There are others too. Meanwhile, Hanover is suffering from the tall poppy syndrome, but getting on with its rescue plan. It's now up to the investors to decide whether the plan is acceptable - not the commentators (many of whom have nothing at stake with the company).
Comments (5)
Philip Macalister
Steve, I totally agree it was bad PR and not a good look. However, I am reliably informed it was organised by someone other than Hotchin. What was fascinating at the meeting yesterday was one investor rose to his feet to start having a go at Hotchin over the party and the whole crowd rounded on him. Another investor got up, gave him a major dressing down saying it was none of his business, and the crowd responded with applause. Yes bad PR, but it seems investors aren't holding it against Hotchin.
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Philip Macalister
Dean Interesting site. But the problem I have with sites like that are they are put up by anonymous people who clearly have an axe to grind, therefore are hard to take too seriously. If the site's creator was prepared to put their name to their work and why they are doing it then it would have plenty more credibility. It seems the site is related mainly to an event in the US which I understand is very ugly, and no doubt there is plenty more to the story which we don't know. Is it a benchmark to judge Hanover's management by? How important is it to the proposed route forward? That's for other to judge. The point of this blog was to highlight how different companies communicate events to customers. All it is saying about Hotchin is that he has been prepared to front up in person to investors and answer any questions they put at him. I say that is commendable.
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16 years ago

Sue Hounsome
I was one of the fools who believed ING and ANZ's presenetations about these funds. We were assured that they were just as safe as Term Deposits. I would never trust either of these companies again - but what do they care. They are worse than Hanover in my opinion.
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16 years ago

Austin Fisher
Are any advisers intending to refund the commissions paid to them by ING for recommending the duff products? It may not be much, but it would help and would be a nice gesture. In many ways, it's the least they could do. ING have handled things badly but Advisers that have been paid because they sold the product cannot now distance themselves from this shambles. They were hand-in-glove with the Provider having negotiated appropriate remuneration for their services and were an integral part of the selling process that convinced people to part with their money. If the argument is "that's what they told us, so we believed them", how does that reassure the public that Advisers are discerning, professional specialists with the investors' interests at heart? I think some humility is called for here from all parties involved as it is the provider AND the distributors who have let these investors down.
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16 years ago

Austin Fisher
Response to TEA42 - Good idea re finance company investments. Also, trustees will have certainly been asleep at the wheel because they will have had some form of statement of investment principles to adhere to. After that we part company because the research houses, Good Returns and the media do not eyeball a person, conduct a full investment profile and then recommend that particular investment. Same goes for the accountants and auditors, unless they reported things in a misleading way. Much of the distribution of these investments has been via ANZ branch staff so ANZ needs to take a share of the responsibility for this tragedy. However, rather than pretend that they are the voice of the people, Advisers should also put their hands up for their part in it. The professional and dignified approach would be to, first of all, apologise. Then work constructively with ING to get the best possible outcome. Advisers do not have a proud record of objectivity when problems arise. I can see an adviser-led action against ING turning into a ill-tempered bunfight. All of which would be great fun if there wasn't real people's savings at risk.
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16 years ago

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