Insurance

New online venture offers cheaper Sovereign and OnePath cover

Tuesday 17th of January 2012

Morgan's original website, Insurance4Me, offered first year premium discounts of 20% on Pinnacle Life cover. His new venture, Kiwi Discount Club, is offering members cash rebates of up to 50% of their first year's premiums on Sovereign life insurance and a 30% cash rebate on OnePath health cover.

Morgan said he was well aware his new venture would attract criticism from the advice community for his self-needs analysis approach, and he said he found the criticism ironic given the controversy around Partners Life taking business away from established insurers.

"It's a churning industry and I'm targeting new business, I'm not targeting existing business, but I guess some people are going to [switch]."

He said the concept behind Kiwi Discount Club was to utilise the cheaper online model with customers doing the needs analysis themselves, plus by building up a database of members he said he is able to negotiate better rates with the insurers.

"We are able to offer these cash rebates as we are rebating a percentage of the commission that the insurers pay us by way of a commission on new business submitted."

Morgan said he opted for Sovereign and OnePath as they were highly rated for life and health products and had greater name recognition.

Also he said Pinnacle Life didn't provide premium forecasts.

"With the other ones [Sovereign and OnePath] I know, I've got all their rates so I can see what the premiums will be in 20 years time based on their current rates."

He said that clients who sign up for the Kiwi Discount Club can opt for cover from other insurers, but consumers preferred one recommendation rather than multiple quotes.

Comments (9)
Simon Rule
I agree Bill. Any insurer supporting the belief that the client themselves is knowledgeable enough to determine what cover they actually need is just going to see more business placed with other providers as a consequence. OnePath this is a sure fire recipe for alienating advisers against recommending your products to clients. Dumb!
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12 years ago

Giles Thorman
To quote Des Morgan: "plus by building up a database of members he said he is able to negotiate better rates with the insurers." This is very interesting as his lead Insurer Sovereign states categorically that it DOES NOT discount premiums; one rate for the market. Someone is telling Fibs........is it Des or Sov???
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12 years ago

Ray Storey
You make the assumption Bill, that rebating doesn't happen off-line. That said, I don't believe I've seen a more unprofessional, clunky and ugly looking website than Des'.
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12 years ago

Ray Storey
Correct Annon, which makes it even more laughable that bricks and mortar brokers are scared of losing business to him.
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12 years ago

Andy Phillipson
Johnny - the reason many are scared of losing business to the on-line syndicate is that the public have been educated to accept cheap, discounts, bargains, and low cost - NOT quality. Consider the Warehouse versus Ballentynes, and who is most popular. As much as I hate fee-based advice, especially in the area of Risk, I wonder how the likes of Des Morgan and Pinnacle will survive should commissions ever be wiped... Just a thought.
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12 years ago

Mike King
Rebating premiums in the first year sure looks attractive to a potential buyer - who could argue with that? But, when Month 13 rolls around and that 30% rebate ceases, what will his persistency be within 6 months? Touting Onepath with this significant liability in the offing seems a little short-sighted. As the banks already know, price-based purchase decisions are highly vulnerable to changes in costs, as well as to poaching from other supliers. If Des's persistency falls to that magical 83%, from where will he fund the generous rebate?
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12 years ago

Simon Rule
Well said Broker.
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12 years ago

Mark Ogden
The tagline on the website "PAY THE LOWEST PREMIUMS IN NEW ZEALAND" I believe the first thing that should concern most is the misleading tagline quoted. This is misleading and incorrect, they still pay the real premium(not cheapest in NZ) and only get a rebate and then just for a year. The premiums are the same as anyone else. I would suggest this is in breach of the fair trading act. To give genuine cheaper premiums the premiums paid ongoing must be cheaper. I see that Endeavour Financial Services Ltd is actually behind this and one of the things Gerry from Endeavour proudly told me at a Sov roadshow was that they would get appointments telling potential clients they could save people 20% on their premiums and give them Pinnacle Life. If they could actually do better from another carrier say Sov,then sell them Sov product and get paid more, only to go back 18 months to 2 years later and sell Pinnacle 20% cheaper and get paid again. I was offended that he would even tell me this thinking that I would believe this behavior to be OK. I am sure it is the same deal here. Probably make the same offer of 50% rebate in 18 months with another carrier and get paid again.
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12 years ago

Des Morgan
Mark We do not have a Gerry? working for us. We did have an agent named Gerry who represented us as an gent briefly over 3 years ago. The only person who promotes Endeavour Financial Services is me and I find your comments regarding our company bordering on slander. I have taken on board your comment about the slogan and have altered accordingly.
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12 years ago

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